While golf has given Justin a career he thoroughly enjoys, he knows the life lessons golf can provide. Milled grooves - SM9 sees Titleist use a new saw to cut their grooves, instead of stamping them onto the face. Unlock the POWER Muscles in Your Golf Swing! Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 6 X, 3-wood: TaylorMade Stealth 2 Plus (15 degrees @ 14) Once you except your limitations, you can get out and enjoy the game we LOVE instead of loathing it. What a great read with invaluable data and information. How Far Should Beginners Hit A Golf Ball? What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. I carry my 8 iron about 158 yards when Im hitting it good (see above). It has to do with my ability. I play off 8 at a championship course 7200 yards in the UK. Most golfers think that the guys on the PGA Tour hit the ball incredibly long. I prefer 120-160 yards, so I try my best to play to that yardage on par 4's. Its about 20% less when comparing PGA vs LPGA. What is evident is you obviously don't play with good amateur players. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364414933' post='6708795'] Once AMA understands the likely outcomes for various shots, then he can most effectively implement course strategy for the benefit of improving his golf performance. On the longest drive, the projected distance(without the slice) was 332 yards. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] Torrey Pines South, huh? Please include a self-addressed envelope with prepaid postage for return. Jordan Spieth WITB 2021 (May Charles Schwab Challenge), Jordan Spieth WITB: 2020 Farmers Insurance Open, Jordan Spieth winning WITB: 2022 RBC Heritage, WITB Time Machine: Jordan Spieths 2015 John Deere Classic winning WITB. Im wondering if there are outliers here?. I originally tried the 12 bounce in the 52 degree but I could feel the club stuttering in the turf at impact. On average, all of the projected distances were 50-70 yards further without the slice. My teachers are always trying to get me to change my swing to generate club head speed, but this consistently leaves me frustrated and physically sore. I've seen plenty of tour pros hit balls & played with many good golfers. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Ratio - 1.48[/background][/size][/color] I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. Thomas breakout season came in 2016-17 with five of his PGA TOUR wins, including the PGA Championship, 12 top 10 finishes and, ultimately, the FedEx Championship. Smash Factor 1.475 If golfers are to continue playing the same length tees, then optimizing their driver distance is going to be key to enhancing their performance. Does the AMA truly know how far each of their clubs carries? If it was published in a journal as well, please could you direct me to where I could find it. [/quote] PGA Tour players hit their driver a total of 296.6 yards on average with a carry distance of 284.3 yards according to official 2022 Shotlink data. Trackman Figures from Some Tour Players - The Sand Trap .com Looking at how far pros hit their irons is a much easier task these days due to all the tracking technology that exists however it still does not make it an exact science. He is 180 ball speed off the driver with outstanding launch numbers. Those numbers seem about right. Not uncommon these days for elite swing speed me too! [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] I would say probably is bs. Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW Blue 75 TX, Hybrid: Titleist TSi2 (21 degrees) Well I certainly feel hood about how I played when i did. [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364403832' post='6707431'] The average for those golfers was 117 mph. Lol, so true.. The above statements were [i]only[/i] about length. They think that a drives are always over 320, which they are not not even close. The difference in a good amateur player and a touring professional is typically going to be short game, endurance, and that space between the ears. What was the actual value of swing speed group 105 mph+, since it shows 0%. The following is Torrey Pines South, where golfers line up each morning for a chance to play one of Americas 100 Greatest Public Courses (Golf Digest). Shaft: Aldila NV, Irons: Cobra Amp Forged (4-PW) How Far Should I Hit My Hybrids? The longest player hits it 320 yards on average and the longest recorded drive in 2022 is 460 yards. [/color] The previous table looked at the approach distance the AMA will have based on hole length and average drive distance. I can say that Trackman is second to none, and its always my first recommendation to others. I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. He was also the beneficiary of a grant that afforded him the opportunity to travel and pursue his junior golf career. Dont be that person, as how your club interacts with the turf is more vital in wedges than with any other club. Does anyone know any of Tiger Woods Trackman data either pitching, irons, 3woods or driver? Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 85 S, Irons: Callaway Apex Forged (2021) (4-PW) 4 out of 1000 swings avg 117 mph? The 12 felt good but the 8 slid through the turf and cushioned the ball off the face. Im a 42 year old 59 and been playing golf since I was 35. Top 50 Player Guide. Thats a course representative of the average golfer? When it comes to his mid-irons he hits his 6-iron and 7-iron 195 and 180 yards. FULL GUIDE By Age, Handicap etc. How about heading out to Wedgefield in Georgetown, SC? Brooks Koepka, winner of the US Open 2017 and 2018. But if you can hit it 275 on your home muni track, that is at least 290 on a tour track with manicured fairways and perfect level tee boxes to hit from. [/quote] As a whole PGA pros hit their pitching wedge an average carry distance of 141 yards. Bob Vokey makes the best wedges for the best players in the world on behalf of Titleist. Spin Rate 2,645.8 A lot of guys come from athletic backgrounds too, and maybe took up the game at an older age. Course length, driver optimization, and course strategy are three key components to improving the performance of the AMA. I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. I've had the privilege of playing with and watching tour players in person, so I know what they're capable of. Web2/27/2012 Justin Rose COMBINE TEST 1 | TrackMan www.trackman.dk TEST INFO Date:2/27/2012 Name:Justin Rose DOB:7/30/1980 Hcp:+5 Mode:Outdoor Location:Lake Nona Temp:78 F Wind:0-5mph Notes: TOTAL SCORE Driver Statistics (avg.) He defeated Will Zalatoris in a 3-hole playoff to clinch the title for the second time. [quote name='jeffrey08250' timestamp='1364360280' post='6704435'] Mike Austin Swing: When Does the Release Start? TrackMan - Have a look at Justin Thomas' swing and | Facebook Club Head Speed 119.55 That means the par 4s would average 395 yards. This course setup for the AMA is assuming a perfectly optimal drive by the golfer so in theory 395 yards would be a maximum length for the AMA based on 50% GIR. With the AMA averaging 30 yards less than his potential, there is a lot of room for improvement. If it's a longer hole, I'll play the driver. I'm not on here to impress anyone with my driving distance but that doesn't mean I didn't hit it that far. Whatever helps you sleep at night my friend. In 2019, he launched the Justin Thomas Foundation, aimed to help military families, junior golf and children in need. When we compare these stock yardages for irons between the pros we get a consistent view of yardage which we can accurately compare across the players. Carry Efficiency 2.51 Couldn't of said it any better myself. Shafts: Nippon N.S. Its important to know what grass you play, what course you play (be it links or parkland) and how you deliver the club at impact (steep or shallow). I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. any 7 iron data ? Of course, playing shorter courses seems very obvious if you want to improve performance. I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. The driver is almost always the most talked about golf club in everyone's bag. DShawn Johnson It should make you a little. When it comes to talking about distance in golf the easiest and most obvious place to start is of course always with the longest club in the golf bag the driver. also his AoD on the stinger. Not at all. I figured that out years ago based on hole distance and yardage to the flag after my tee shot. I am still unsure of how a higher handicapper can benefit as much other than having higher bounce in a wedge. Granted, their handicaps are high, but it gives a lot of support to what Mr. Pelz has been telling us all these years. [color=#ff0000]I'd really like to see Tiger's path and face numbers too among others especially seeing how far left he aims at times. The numbers posted above are cool to me because you can see Tiger hits balls on the range like he does on the course. 5 Testers Needed! Imagine being on the practice ground with Justin Thomas or Nelly Korda week in week out. Artisan MT Grind (58) DG S400 Close suggestions Search Search Search Search Made more swing improvement of late and starting to control my driver more. I still feel these are better players clubs for 15 handicappers or below as they are bladed heads which require you to deliver the club consistently and strike the centre of the face. [/quote] 3. Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide (2021). TrackMan 6 0 obj
Vokey inspect all wedges individually but do recommend you look to change wedges after 75 rounds in order to keep the spin rate at its optimum. Shafts: Project X 125 6.5, Wedges: Titleist Vokey Design SM9 (46-10F @46.5, 52-08F @51.5, 56-10S @55.5), Titleist Vokey Design WedgeWorks Proto (60.5 T) By comparison a 5-wood carries 235 yards and hit a 3 hybrid, which measures from 19 to 21, an average carry distance of 230 yards. There isnt anybody who wouldnt like to be able to hit the ball further. In my experiences wedges can be the least searched review on YouTube and some of the worst fitting processes. [color=#ff0000]I'd really like to see Tiger's path and face numbers too among others especially seeing how far left he aims at times. I hit the same. Can crush it further by trap drawing it really stepping on it. Flexibility, speed, and knowing how to transfer energy the most effi 1700 Broadway, Floor 29, New York, NY 10019, 2020 Justin Thomas. There are three finishes available in SM9: Tour Chrome (matte), Brushed Steel (shiny) and Jet Black (matte). I also shot 86. work on your short game. Carry Distance 302.9 [/quote] This philosophy has been a revelation to me. I know I hit the ball a long way though. Items sent in without return postage will not be returned. Your previous content has been restored. My average distance was 235-245. 52* & 58* Callaway MD2 // S-300 Please have a look at this video about Smash Factor. Its important to turn your body to get that extra speed. How Far Should You Hit a Driver? My average driver distance over 2 full rounds it 223 yards and that includes the one or two bad shots off the box that only goes 100 plus yards just above the red Ts . Optimizing a golfers distance with the driver (using their existing club speed) is an alternative way to effectively shortening a golf course. It's good for some laughs. bT^GCUbIRT97U]"p:JJL)K^B"qPLCw4jw[ ))~u#-n MQ\~x/1c_kQ&mK I do agree the AMA should be playing much shorter courses than most presently do. It's a pretty common way to play the game and it helps the scoring aspect of your game tremendously. Some of us didn't have the means or access to learn and play a lot of golf when we were Teeball aged. My experience suggests that this is true. He has an average attack angle of -1.6 degrees.The following table looks at the AMA versus what is optimal., *Carry, Landing Angle, and Total were normalized under 0 alti- tude, 75F, and 75% humidity for the AMA to create an apples to apples comparison. And when it comes to how far Tiger Woods, arguably the greatest iron player of all time, hits his irons? Here are Tiger's averages for this season on shots that were measured: I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. I feel like a lot of AMs sacrifice strike for the extra 1-2 mph which ultimately leads to less distance. I've seen plenty of tour pros hit balls & played with many good golfers. Or when hazards are present, it may be even wiser to aim for the opposite edge of the green. Greater distancethe eternal quest for golfers. Lets go one step further and use the TrackMan Combine data to see what kind of proximity to hole the AMA will be able to achieve at the various approach distances. Impacting the game through junior golf programs has always been an important part of his charitable giving. Launch- 11.28, 9.71 low, 12.87 high [quote name='xmanhockey7' timestamp='1364353356' post='6703825'] I shared the dispersion plot with our local club committee who are thinking of installing trackman after redeveloping several holes, and was asked questions along these lines: 1. Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. That tells Angle of attack, club speed, path, club face. The AMA isnt going to be achieving this max theoretical 255 yard drive very often. I think the difference is practice, practice and more practice. Hi Gerry. [quote name='jeffrey08250' timestamp='1364360280' post='6704435'] You will probably pick up that I gravitate towards the technical aspects of most things I do. Well, they say that If you practice more and more youll get better and better. Justins interest in the military was inspired by some of the men and women in uniform he has met over the years. Titleist 906F4 13.5* Fuji Rombax 8Z08 X Mike Austins Secret Release Move to Multiply Your Clubhead Speed. The 56 to 62 grooves are wider and shallower for chipping and lob shots. (Unimpededof course, because we always were able to play during the week). I didnt start playing until i was 31 and it was over by 42 yet my handicap was 12. I ultimately decided on the Tour AD DI 6X as a better choice. Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide (2021), link to What Driver is Most Used On the PGA Tour? Driver 6 Iron Brooks Koepka Related Posts Erik Van Rooyen Driver Numbers Sei Young I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. WebBut he picked up 25 yards for elevation, 25 for wind, and another 45 for extra roll. Your email address will not be published. Justin Thomas' Distances - Tour Talk - GolfWRX When looking at how the AMA performs, lets start with the drive. Justin Thomas and Excel Sports Management are not responsible for lost, stolen or damaged items. Report PP | PDF | Mobile App | Goal <>
Trackman stats obviously don't mean that much either. I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. Shafts: KBS Tour 125 S+, Wedges: TaylorMade Milled Grind 3 (50-09SB, 54-11SB, 60-08LB) any 7 iron data ? Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. Spin- 2645, 1948 low, 3745 high And that is for the simple reason that pros will hit all manner of a variety of different shots with their irons, especially for their approach shots, and as such, they will hit the same iron a variety of different distances. Maybe for one swing he got there. hard to say for sure who was at fault in the beginning i am 7 handicap play with a friend who is 26-28 i play blue he plays white even when an extra player joins me on the blue he still plays white. It's not the length that makes a pro. As such, this article will focus on the performance of the average male amateur (AMA). For example while one pros gap wedge may be 50 another may choose 53 or even 54 for that same gap wedge club and with such a difference in lofts it becomes very difficult to compare with any meaning how far the pros hit the same-named wedge. do Trackman numbers mean? Understanding golf launch monitor results But if you can hit it 275 on your home muni track, that is at least 290 on a tour track with manicured fairways and perfect level tee boxes to hit from. The "you have to be a tour player to hit a long way" mentality is comical to say the least. Driver: Cobra Amp Cell Pro (8.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila RIP Phenom 3-wood: Titleist 906F4 (13.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila NV 7-wood: Michael Hopper whats in the bag accurate as of the WM Phoenix Open. The handicap system is equally misleading as the vast amount of amateur golfers dont have a handicap, and if they did, they would be 36.4. My problem is the amount of power i have and need to work on half wings. Have a look at his driver and 6 iron numbers below: Driver 6 The numbers posted above are cool to me because you can see Tiger hits balls on the range like he does on the course. I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. TrackMan - Did you see Justin Thomas' TrackMan numbers? . Club Head Speed 119.55 Total Distance Efficiency 2.484. Skill Triumphs Over All! Sorry that I can not be of better help right now. Great read with invaluable data and information. The LDA guys can't hang with the short games and are wildly sporadic with their tee shots, hence why they get multiple tries. The new Vokey SM9 wedges has a focus on this exact shot by placing weight higher in the toe. Heat treatment This treatment is now applied to the impact areas of the face to increase durability. You just have to be fit correctly and learn how to deliver the club better to the ball, and i shoot low 70s and i hit the ball 245 yards with ZERO roll in Thailand so it can be done. [quote name='GooseHook' timestamp='1364385234' post='6705065'] Of course touring pros are way better than everyone at all facets of the gamethat's why they're out making millions while a bunch of us have idiotic debates over the Internet. 913 HD =t 'BRvGGs.Du="dP0 J/%
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Ed&Z):Y{J|'@*bT6|QNbge2RU'02_^^{ Ball Speed- 176.38 average, 179.45 high It's good for some laughs. I'm 6'3, in pretty good shape and played baseball my entire life. The false fronts, forced carries, and deep protecting bunkers are too difficult for the AMA to deal with. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] These 23 heads are available in three finishes: Jet Black, Tour Chrome and Brushed Steel. Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide, What Wedges Do the Pros Use? Spin Rate is on the high side, which also could indicate an off-center strike, and probably a negative attack angle both will shorten your distance. Victoria II. Firstly there is really no need to play an 8 iron that long, secondly why on earth would you play nothing but trap draws especially with short iron But he does not average those. Mizuno Pro 225 5-GW PX IO They hit 4-irons 208 yards and 5-irons 199 yards on average. No question - 100%. The fairways where I play are very firm and I get a fair amount of roll. However don't be overwhelmed, the good news is that there is only one set up choice in the PW, two in the GW and multiple in SW and LW due to the wider range of shorter shots you play with these clubs. Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. Thomas breakout season came in 2016-17 with five of his PGA TOUR wins, including the PGA Championship, 12 top 10 finishes and, ultimately, the FedEx Championship. Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 7 S, Hybrid: Callaway Apex (19 degrees) My average club separation is about 15 yards. President & CEO, Boys & Girls Clubs of Kentuckiana, Brent Paladino I recently had my swing analyzed and would like to share the results so that maybe someone could explain this in simpler terms. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] Exactly, I had the same perception in mind too. You can use our TrackMan Locatortofind your local TrackMan certified and ask for a combine test. Shaft: Fujikura Ventus TR Blue 7 X, 5-wood: TaylorMade Stealth 2 Plus Trackman is pretty interesting, obviously path and angle of attack change depending on the shot your trying to shape. Smash Factor 1.475 Its important for me to have a 58 degree that works first and foremost in a bunker and then to chip with, because I use my 52 to chip with more often than not as I like to see the ball on the ground and rolling towards the hole so it has a chance of dropping in. Acting upon real data, not opinion, takes a giant step in that direction. Unless of course it's short enough to hit the 3 wood or driver at the green. [quote name='J.W.' Titleist 913D3 9.5* Diamana D+ 72s Having the ability to hit it the ball as far as they can has nothing to do with me thinking highly of myself. Is a soft ball for club head speed of 90 MPH with the driver better than a hard ball? But i attribute most of that to playing with a best friend who was a scratch golfer and showed me theres no need to take longer than 2 hours to play 18 holes. x]I]618nI9^R? You could take my woods and irons and pair it with Phil's wedge play and Stricker's putter and I'd be an average PGA tour player. The wedge glided through the turf and nipped the ball at impact, resulting in reliable soft strikes. Your email address will not be published. Brooks Koepka, winner of the US Open 2017 and 2018 - TrackMan Other top articles related to this topic: Graeme Hay is the owner of GolfingFocus.com. The ball shoots from the face and you lose the control of the ball. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Although early days yet is there a general reason for the different results in club path. Tiger hits his 3-iron a carry distance of 240 yards on average while his 4-iron goes 225 yards and 5-iron 210 yards. I hit the same. yfvp
~ AnFVS0Y")Mb@3PNm[GVI=! Ive tried this with many people and they shoot about their handicap. And I suppose they hit it relatively far, but nearly the distances that the public thinks. [url="http://www.rotaryswing.com/golf-instruction/golfequipment/golf-launch-monitor.php"]http://www.rotaryswinch-monitor.php[/url] I am writing a dissertation at university and was wondering how you got all your data. Shafts: True Temper Project X PXi, Driver: TaylorMade Stealth 2 Plus (9 degrees @ 8) I remember they had the analysis of his 8 iron that he hit at firestone from like 200+ out in a golf digest or something a couple years ago don't remember any of the numbers unfortunately tho, M2, maybe 4 -PW: Callaway Apex MB, KBS $ taper 130X, Wedges - Jaws raw 50, 54, 59 KBS $ taper 130x, Putter- Odyssey Vesa 12 center stroke lab shaft. Am I as good as tour pro? You can follow GolfWRX on Twitter @GolfWRX, Facebook and Instagram. This is something Im finding out at a 14 handicap. I have always wanted a push draw and now i can see the light in the tunnel. And as it is highly unlikely even the best pros in the world never want to hit their driver as far as they can so it is clearly the club we are going to get the best idea of the maximum distance they hit the ball. The materials are superb and generate fantastic feedback on the strike through the head, shafts, grip and into your hands. It takes a detailed plan and it takes time, and this is why I think the improvement of AMAs isnt as impressive as it could be. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Ball Speed - 185 mph[/background][/size][/color] As he becomes more efficient, the AMA has shorter approach shots which lead to closer proximity to the hole. TrackMan session with Justin Rose and Sean Foley - YouTube 0:00 / 5:10 TrackMan session with Justin Rose and Sean Foley 158,856 views Feb 26, 2013 See how PGA, Executive Director, Golf House Kentucky | Kentucky Golf Foundation. WebCongratulations to Justin Thomas with his latest victory at the Dell Technologies Championship, well played! Especially when they was no other golfers in sight. Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 95 X Hybrid, Irons: Titleist T100 (3-9) Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. Ball Speed 176.38 I take most info in many sections of this board with a grain of salt. After reading this article I did more research and discovered I should be playing nearly 1200 yards shorter, and doing so without shame. Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. As club speed increases, those golfers tend to have lower handicaps. Shaft: Aldila RIP Phenom, 3-wood: Titleist 906F4 (13.5 degrees) Although there is a slow trend towards improvement, many in the golf industry wonder why progress has not been faster. I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. I spent a year playing by myself getting lessons finding a swing and just focused on having fun. How Often Do Pros Hit Driver? 714 AP2 4-p All that strength comes from the lower body. Due to the large volume of autograph requests, fulfillment of requests is not guaranteed. Here are Tiger's averages for this season on shots that were measured: But mostly, when playing for the money, they dont. But the guys with a great wedge and not great length still hack it on tour because they have what matters. Top 50 Pros Analysis. Lets consider the (average) approach shot distance that the AMA will have on an average par 4. For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. If you are a right handed player the slice and above numbers could be due to a heel strike. I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. Golf Balls are a Problem, Most Popular Driver on LPGA Tour? Ball Speed 176.38 Titleist fitting last summer at my home course. The next table uses the approach distances from the previous and calculates the proximity to hole. [/quote] Short hitter compared to the average WRXer I like to look at his averages on the tour seems to be more realistic data that is actually in play on tour. %PDF-1.5
RocketBladez Tour 4-PW // C-Taper Add Driving Distance by Analyzing the Worlds Longest Driver! I appreciate your thoughts, great article. A Step by Step Guide, Acceleration Graph of Hips, Chest, Arms, and Clubhead in a Pro Golf Swing. So next time the announcer says that someone is hitting a 5 iron from 223, keep in mind that its mostly conditions, and note where the ball actually carries. I cant say I noticed the lower ball flight but this is something that Titleist have worked on gradually for the last few generations. In 2018, Justin was just the 21st player to ever reach #1 in the Official World Golf Rankings following his WGC win in Memphis. Do you have Average Female Amature driver swing speed?
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